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  • Fellow PM.Dip
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I would like your opinions/advise on how you would deal with the following:

I have a client, only started up in Feb, and his accounts are a mess. He has already told me that he has no idea when it comes to admin of any sort and switches off at the mere thought of numbers.

He gets benefits in the form of New Enterprise Allowance, which I would assume is a personal income not business. Although with this comes a loan of £1000 which I would deem business income.

Now comes the messy part (for which he has had a severe telling off - for want of a better phrase):

He has used his personal account for a number of business transactions, ie protective clothing and stationery. He has also used his business account for personal transactions including the crediting of the benefit mentioned above and multiple personal debits.

I have already 'advised' my client to have his NEA put into his personal account and make all non-business transactions through that. Leaving only business transactions from the business acccount. But  I need to sort out the business from personal accounts from the bank statements. Would you just ignore the personal details and account for the rest putting any discrepancies through as drawings or would you account for everything putting ALL personal transactions through to drawings?

Now how would you go about sorting this mess out and salvage a decent set of accounts?

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Hi David,

The New Enterprise allowance sounds like it is an allowance for a start up business, if it is not repayable then yes it would be income but I am not sure if it would be taxable or not. However, if it is a loan then it would not be income, it will be a creditor so when the money was received you should debit the bank and credit "other creditors" or set-up a seperate account code so you can see the seperate figure.


As with the business transactions going through the personal account - if he is a sole trader then these expenses will be deemed as capital, and therefore repayable to the owner.


With the personal transactions going through the business account, these will be deemed as owner's drawings.


I wouldn't bother putting through any other transactions in his personal account other than the business expenditure. To put these through you would credit the owner's capital and debit the relevant expense account.


Please let me know if you need any more clarification.            

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  • # 82346

Hi David

This is typical of new businesses but not really a problem other than getting your head around all the transactions. It will take you more time and cost your client more; I would just ensure he is aware that if his record keeping improved you could reduce your cost.

 

As it’s a new business he’s probably using his personal account because that is where the cash is! Or to avoid business banking charges (who can blame him!). To keep things ‘clean’ you could ask him to transfer cash to his business bank account to pay for all the business expenses and bring this lump sum in as capital introduced through the accounts. Otherwise I wouldn’t worry too much about using his personal account to purchase business expenses if he is a sole trader. Just ensure he keeps the receipts and bring the expenses in through capital introduced individually/grouped per statement.

 

As mentioned above post any personal transactions paid via the business account as drawings, however remind him that taking lots of drawings in this way can jeopardise the grant of loan facilities he may need in the future if the bank thinks he is taking more capital out of the business than is being created or personally introduced.

 

The allowance is taxable as personal income and must be shown on his SATR but does not need to be brought into his accounts. If he continues to get this paid into his business account just bring it in as capital introduced. 

Best regards

Georgina 

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Hi Georgina and Lady M,

Thank you both for your responses. It's as I thought. It just looking through his business account statements it's all a mess.

He has been told about the difference, but as I stated previously, he has no clue when it comes to paperwork, figures, general admin, etc. I shall wade through the pot of treacle he has given me and see what the outcome is.

Thanks again, most appreciated.

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