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CASH DISCOUNTS AND VAT

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  • # 103318

Hi, 

 

I am a little confused about the bove subject.

Am i right in thinking that if the Net invoice is £500.00

and i offered a 2.5% cash discount that i would deduct the discount from the net amount.

I would then arrive at the amount of discount that i would be offering to my customer should he want to settle his account for prompt payment.

I would then take this amount and deduct the VAT at 20% and enter this figure into the invoice at the same time keeping the Net amount of

£500.

I would then add together the new amount of VAT and the Net amount of £500 to get my gross amount.

At the bottom of the invoice i would write "terms 2.5% 7 days. 

I would only send this invoice out to the customer and no other inoice and this would not be a revised inoice.

The other factor is rounding up number for the cash discount. Apparently these are supposed to be in favour towards the customer and therefore doesn't work as it would normally work in maths. is this correct?

Thanks for any help in advance

 

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  • # 103352

Hi Emma-Louise

 

THis bit confuses me....

 

I would then take this amount and deduct the VAT at 20% and enter this figure into the invoice at the same time keeping the Net amount of


I'm not sure why you would want to deduct VAt at 20%. The VAT is 20% of the net amount minus the cash discount (500 - 2.5%) 

But don't get too worked up over it - it all changes in April when you only charge VAT on the actual amount paid. So this method become illegal in about 3 months and many companies are already changing over to the new way.

But if you are taking the exams before April 2014 then I suppose you need to know it just in case it pops up in exams.

 

Kevin

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  • # 103358

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> Hi,
Thanks for that, can you explain how
the new system will work please?

Regards
Emma-louise
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  • # 103359

Hi Emme-Lousie

Using very simple figures to illustrate the situation.

Under the current VAT regulations (which change on April 1st) prompt payment discounts are handled as such:

 

You sell goods worth net £100 and offer a 10% prompt payment discount. As seller your invoice would be:

net £100

VAT would be based on £100 - 10% = £90 giving VAT of £18.00

Your invoice would then be:

goods £100

VAT £18

Total £118.00.

 

If the purchaser wants to take the 10% discount then they have to take the 10% off the NET value of the invoice and then add on the VAT so they pay:

£100 - £10 + £18 = £108.00

If the purchers chose not to take the discount they would pay the £118.00.

 

Under the new system it is much easier. The puchaser only pays VAT on what they actually pay so the new invoice would be:

goods £100

VAT £20.00

Total £120.00

If the puchaser wants to take advantage of the prompt payment disocunt they would just take off 10% of the total and pay that so they would pay

£120.00 - £12.00 = £108.00

(for technical completeness its actually £100 - 10% = £90 + VAT of £18.00 = £108.00)

If the purchaser does not want to take advantage of the discount then they pay £120.00.

 

Overall for VAT registered businesses it makes no difference cost wise as they can claim the VAT back. The only business that lose out are non-VAT registered business who do not take advantage of early payment disocunts as they will be paying slightly more in VAT.

 

THe new way brings the UK into lione with the rest of Europe in the way that VAT is handled.

 

Kevin

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  • # 103374

Please note: now that HMRC have published the results of the consulatation process into the change for calculating VAT on Prompt Payment Discounts, ICB will be issuing a technical article on the changes early in the New Year and also a comment on how this will affect any questions in examinations taken after 1 April 2015.

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  • # 103375

Jacquie said:

“Please note: now that HMRC have published the results of the consultation process into the change for calculating VAT on Prompt Payment Discounts, ICB will be issuing a technical article on the changes early in the New Year and also a comment on how this will affect any questions in examinations taken after 1 April 2015.”

 

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  • # 103377

Hi Jacquie

 

Thanks for the input.

Is the ICB going to also do a technical article on the changes to VAT that takes place on January 1st.

This is much more far ranging for businesses that export to Europe as the payment of VAt moves from the nation of the supplier to the nation of the purchaser.

So if you sell a lot of goods to other European countries you may need to register with their VAT authorities if you can not use the MOSS system from HMRC.

 

Thanks

Kevin

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