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BA6 Trading accounts

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Can anyone explain about the wages on a trading account on a not for profit organisation?  There appears to be two different examples you can follow each giving the same end result.  I have contacted my tutor twice about this but just get more confused.  The two activities I've completed through Training Link don't appear to list how they want the trading account laid out.  Although my tutor seems to think it does, am I missing something?  Any help gratefully received, as I'm stuck on trying to understand how to complete this.

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  • # 117048

Not sure exactly what you mean? What are you trying to do with the wages?

 

Digit

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Hi Pippa,

I am not sure if this will help but here goes…

 

If you think of a ‘normal’ TP&L account the gross profit is calculated in the ‘top half’ of the account and the net profit in the bottom half as follows:

 

Sales                                                                                                                                      10000

Less cost of sales

Opening Stock                   3000

Purchases                           5000

Cost of Sales                      8000

 

The cost of sales is deducted from sales to give the Gross Profit                                2000

 

(In the ‘bottom half’ of the account you list overhead expenses such as rent, utilities etc.)

 

Less Expenses

 

Rent                      30

Utilities                 20

Wages                  10

Total Expenses  60

 

And deduct the expenses from the Gross Profit to give the Net Profit    1940

 

The bar trading account is similar to the TP&L account – it deducts costs from the amount of sales the bar has made so that the amount of profit or loss can be calculated.  As you know, the bar in this case belongs to an otherwise not-for-profit organisation that probably does aim to make a profit from the bar.  It may use the money to help with the running costs of the organisation so that it does not have to raise so much money from members in subscriptions.  Or it may decide to donate some of the profits to another charity, etc.  In any case the organisation probably does want to make a profit and needs to know how much it has raised.

 

As you also know, the amount of profit does not change the only difference is in how the account is laid out:

 

Without wages the account may look as follows:

 

Bar Sales                                                                                                                              10000

Less cost of sales

Opening Stock                   3000

Purchases                           5000

Cost of Sales                      8000

 

The cost of sales is deducted from sales to give the Gross Profit                                2000

 

However, if the organisation has paid wages to staff this will also have to be deducted from the profit.  Say they have paid £500 then the profit will be reduced to £1500.  The only difference is whether the wages are included in the equivalent of the top half of the account and counted as part of the cost of sale, or included in the bottom half as an overhead expense.

 

It if is in the ‘top half’ then it is accounted for as follows:

 

Bar Sales                                                                                                                              10000

Less cost of sales

Opening Stock                                   3000

Purchases                                           5000

Cost of good sold                             8000

ADD wages                                         500

Cost of Sales                                      8500

 

Then deduct the  cost of sales sales to give the Gross Profit                         1500

 

In the other method the wages are accounted for as an overhead expense – the equivalent of the ‘bottom half’ of a TP&L account:

 

Bar Sales                                                                                                                              10000

Less cost of sales

Opening Stock                                   3000

Purchases                                           5000

Cost of Sales                                      8000

Gross profit                                                                                                                        2000

 

THEN deduct wages                        500

 

Then calculate the NET profit                                                                                      1500

 

I hope this is helpful.

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