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sage and end of year

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hello,

does anyone have any ideas on a matter concerning sage and the year end.

i am working on a clients accounts where they have moved the year end.

the old accounting year ran from 30 sept 09 to 29 sept 10.

this has now been extended to run from 30 sept 09 to 31 march 11. with a view for following years to be ran 1 april 11 to 31 march 12 etc.

 please could you tell me if, when working on sage do i....

complete an accounting perid for 30 sep 09 to 29 sep 10, and follow the year end proceedure, then complete another period  for 30 sep 10 to 31 mar 11 and do a second year end proceedure,

or is there a way to have sage allow you to do this all in one, i.e 30 sep 09 to 31 mar 11

thank you, 
rachel.     

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  • # 70050

Hi Rachel
Pretty sure you are going to have to do as you said and complete year end 29 Sep, then complete following 6 months and complete year end again.
I have had problems changing the year end date in Sage - maybe this has been rectified in a later release?
Good luck - just remember to keep back up copy before year end procedure!
Sadie

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  • # 70052

hi sadie,

thank you,

i was thinking along those lines, wanted another opinion,

thanks again
rachelWink

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  • # 70053

Hi Rachel
Yes I agree with Sadie. You will have to run two year end routines.
You can change the year end in Sage (V14 onwards) but that still only gives you a 12month period.
Hope you sort it out ok.
Pam

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  • # 70057

Hi Rachel

Sage will allow this to occur but care is needed. The yearend date can be changed easily if you have a more advanced package, (Sage Professional or Accounts Plus) if you don't have one of these packages you can't do it. The date for the start of the year needs to be changed first, in your case this would now be 01.04.10. Then journals of the transactions in the earlier months ie Oct 2009 to March 2010 need to be journalled into the new year, ie with a date of 01.04.10 & journalled out of the old year 31.03.10. You may prefer to this on a month by month basis but in some ways this would cause more work. As long as you have a reliable backup of the data prior to the yearend change, & printouts of the Nominal Accounts leading to the journal totals entered, you should be ok to enter in one batch. The balance sheet prior to & after the change should be the same, the profit & loss will now be quite different. If things aren't done properly there will be a previous year adj showing in the balance sheet, because, not all transactions have been cleared out of the old & entered in the new correctly.

This will help by only needing to do one yearend. Corporation Tax will require an apportionment of the Profit for the 2 periods into one long & one short, but that can be based on the accounts held on Sage. The depreciation would need to be for the correct length of time, but one set of accruals & prepayments is all that would be needed. One small thing is the budgets on Sage would be non existent as a result of the journals, for Oct 2009 to March 2010 & very heavy for April 2010. The budgets based on previous year records I find really useful, so it would help to adjust the budgets manually by entering the monthly values from your print outs created earlier.

If you don't have Sage Professional of Accounts Plus, you can send the data to sage to do, but I think the cost is about £300, depending on cover etc..

Sage can work with mid month dates, but it can be a bit of a hasstle & again you do need a more advanced package to run transactional trial balances, profit & losses & balance sheets.  I would try to use full calender months, but keep a record of the September 2009 transactions which were entered with a date of 01.10.09.

Regards

John.

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  • # 70073

thank you pam and john.

there is a great deal of useful information there for me,
it will help a lot.

thank you
rachel

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