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I was looking at ads for bookkeepers & came across this.
Local music company requires self employed local book keeper that can assist the MD with simple accounting procedure.
The position on offer is part time with the ability to work from home, although you must have a home office environment that allows you total concentration, as attention to detail is paramount.
Good PC skills and usage of Excel spreadsheet program are essential and the role primarily encompasses processing numerical financial data into existing Excel accounting templates.
You will be required to attend the office (@ Worthing, West Sussex) for an initial training day and then for brief meetings during the accounting cycle.
Hours are flexible to suit, we anticipate the current schedule required will provide at least 40 hours work paid at £6 per hour. This will need to be undertaken within a two week period each month. Further hours may well become available as the role develops.
To apply simply email your CV and let us know your current working situation & availability.
Unbelievable, is this what some people think we are worth??
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Oh my goodness, that is ridiculous! But you know what they say about peanuts and monkeys.....
Some numpty will get it, make a right hash of the job and then the MD will realise the errors of his ways.
Scandalous!!
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It's disgusting, come October that won't even be minimum wage!
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Is it a wind up? 
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Hi
Whilst this is very low. It could be a misprint.
People are losing the jobs left , right and centre , there are thousands of very skilled people working for the basic wage, £5.90 including loads of our young is this country.
So I am grateful at least to have a job. If needs be I would do anything to get a job to feed my family.
So whilst people might think it is disgusting , please do not look down at the basic wage as plenty of people work very hard for it .
Edited at 24 May 2011 09:26 AM GMT
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They must have left the 1 off, even thogh it does say the work would be mainly off site, which would
mean a good bookkeeper could probably do the work in half the time which could make it around the £12 per hour mark.
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HI Ian
I can quite believe it - I was offered £8.00 per hour once and that was through the ICB vacancies. Once I explained (see previous post) that I couldnt work for that due to tax etc. and the minimum would be £14.00 he got back to me and said yes please please please.
Liz
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People complaining at the price at yet I see on other forums people willing to work for free to get the experience.
As this sounds like "employment" then there will also be the addition of 5.6 weeks holiday for year so this effectively bumps the figure closer to £7 an hour. Also, there will be no national insurance to pay as it will be below the threshold whereas if you were to do this work on a self employed basis you would likely already be above that threshold and so have to pay 9% on it.
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Hello Peasie,
the ad does state self employed basis, which means the person should be qualified and have a practice licence. I am noy knocking people who have to work for minimum wage to the feed the family, but we are professionals and should be paid as professionals, you would not see a plumber or electrician working for that kind of money.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I must have skipped over the bit about self-employed.
So if you're above the thresholds they are expecting someone to work for £4.26 an hour when you subtract tax and NI.
"attention to detail is paramount" - for £4.26 per hour I wouldn't count on it.
I could see myself working for free - I could not see myself working for £4.26.
Edited to add "Hi Ian" at the start. I never noticed how rude my posts must appear when I don't even acknowledge the person I am replying to.
Edited at 24 May 2011 11:46 AM GMT
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It does seem ridiculously low pay and unlikely to attract anyone suitably qualified with a practise licence or registered direct with hmrc for MLR.
I wonder if anyone at hmrc reads such ads?
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@ Sarah,
What I meant by "disgusting" is that seemingly bookkeepers are not recognised for the years of investment, studying and experience it takes for them to be good at what they do.
I do not look down on minimum wage or those who earn it because I know people do work very hard for it. My husband earns minimum wage and he works harder than most people I know for that wage, however it is now starting to affect his health.
As for minimum wage, I don't think it is enough to live on, but that is another issue alltogether.
Apologies for any misunderstanding I may have caused with my comment, just goes to show you cannot assume anything with the written word.
Edited at 24 May 2011 01:31 PM GMT
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Hi All
I know this looks awful at £6.00 per hour but also consider the other sdie of the coin how much money is the business making to be able to afford to pay for the services of a bookkeeper.
The trouble is with more and more people flocking into bookkeeping as they see it as an easy way to make money the supply becomes greater than the demand and the law of diminshing returns kicks in.
The other issue we face in our profession is not only do we compete against each other for business but we also face the hords of unqualified people that have lower overheads than us perhaps it is time to lobby to get bookkeeper as a protected title in the same was a solicitor is.
Kind regards
Stuart
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Hi Lady M
I understand your your point and yes I do think we should be paid more but there could be a reason. I may not have explained myself very well.
There are people with university degrees , members of the public that have been made redundant from jobs they have had for a long time and are also very qualified. It has been a terrible year for so many business that have finally run out of their nest egg they built up.
What the papers are saying about thinks improving and what seems to be happening to small business seem very different.
I spoke to Sage Payroll while they are helping me and they have said they have had more phonecalls in the last 3 months about redundancy then the previous years.
I do agree with you about the basic wage, it does effect your health but some bookkeepers are working for the same by the time they take all the expenses, the loss of holiday pay. And the extra cost of NI at 8% and also saving for their pension.
I know everyone has not got the opportunity to save for a pension but a lot of the public sector workers on low wages are getting a pension.
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Stuart Wildman said:
The other issue we face in our profession is not only do we compete against each other for business but we also face the hords of unqualified people that have lower overheads than us perhaps it is time to lobby to get bookkeeper as a protected title in the same was a solicitor is.
I agree with you there Stuart, but I can see that is long road, since all the supervisory authorities don't recognise each others qualifications. If the law was changed to require both qualification and regulation, there would probably be some turmoil in recognising who was qualfied.
But it has happened quite quickly in other professions eg gas fitters, electricians - where qualification became a legal requirement almost overnight.
Some people say there are now to many plumbers, but try getting one for £6 an hour.
cheers
Mike
btw Congrats on your baby!
Edited at 24 May 2011 04:08 PM GMT
Edited at 24 May 2011 04:11 PM GMT
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Mikeee said:
“Stuart Wildman said:
The other issue we face in our profession is not only do we compete against each other for business but we also face the hords of unqualified people that have lower overheads than us perhaps it is time to lobby to get bookkeeper as a protected title in the same was a solicitor is.
I agree with you there Stuart, but I can see that is long road, since all the supervisory authorities don't recognise each others qualifications. If the law was changed to require both qualification and regulation, there would probably be some turmoil in recognising who was qualfied.
But it has happened quite quickly in other professions eg gas fitters, electricians - where qualification became a legal requirement almost overnight.
Some people say there are now to many plumbers, but try getting one for £6 an hour.
cheers
Mike
btw Congrats on your baby!
Edited at 24 May 2011 04:08 PM GMT
Edited at 24 May 2011 04:11 PM GMT”
I know what you mean. My husband is a plumber, and he can earn in a week what I would like to earn in a month. In his defence though, he is very very good at what he does, and offers a quality job at less than the competition round here. I do know 2 friends who are bookkeepers, one is registered directly through HMRC for ML and the other (I suspect) is practising without anything. Is quite worrying, when I'm trying to ask for £15 an hour with all my overheads, and others aren't forking out half of what I am every year.
But I'm thinking of joining my local Chamber of Trade. Have been invitied to their next meeting for free which is nice - and one of the people who run it is a local accountant. Could open some doors.
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Hi Andrea / Mikee
Mikee thanks for the congrats if this gets incohearent you will understand why lol 
Andrea networking is vital it is not whjat you know in this world but who you know more often than not.
I head up the client services team for Wellers Chartered accdountants a postition I got through good fortune backed up by ability, experience and qulaification. I happened to work for one of their clients where I got to know one of the partners which led me to gain several opportunties to prove myself to the partnership and the eventual job offer.
Kind regards
stuart
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