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VAT Question from Kaplan Practical Bookkeeping

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Hi,

Been working through my Kaplan book and I think there may be a typo - or I am being thick :)

I have a question on Tax Points (pg 418 for those with the book) I have to identify the Tax Point and say if it is basic or actual.....

Pt 1 is for goods delivered on 10th July, invoiced on 15th July and paid for on 30th July
Pt 4 is for goods delivered on 13th Sept, invoiced on 30th Sept and paid for on 31st Oct.

No other information on the sales is given.

I answered both with the delivery date as Tax Point and that the Tax Point is a basic point.  The answers show the first as an actual point, not basic.  

Could someone please explain why? 

Also Would anyone have the answers to Test your understanding 5 on the same page - no answers are printed in my book :(

Thanks

Theresa 

Edited at 26 Jun 2011 10:39 AM GMT

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Hi

I understand the tax point date to be the invoice date, but not sure about the 'basic' or 'actual' part. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe the 'actual' tax point date is the invoice date, as this is when the tax is being raised...? 

Kerry 

Edited at 26 Jun 2011 10:54 AM GMT

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Basic tax point is date of delivery or collection of goods or the date a service was performed.

Actual tax point is the date an invoice is issued or payment is received if it is before the basic point. 

Hense my question of why pt 1 is shown as an actual point not a basic point........ 

Edited at 26 Jun 2011 11:07 AM GMT

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Identifying a tax point: actual tax points

The basic tax point is always overridden by an actual tax point (see VATTOS5000). An actual tax point can be created before or after the basic tax point. An earlier tax point arises if the supplier issues a VAT invoice or receives a payment in advance of the basic tax point. On the other hand, unless a tax payer has elected to the contrary, the tax point is delayed where the supplier issues a VAT invoice within 14 days (or a longer period where this has been allowed) after the basic tax point.

Often there can be more than one tax point. For example a business undertakes to supply an item of furniture. The customer pays a deposit when the order is placed. Receipt of that payment creates a tax point at that time for the amount received. Under the contract, the balance of the purchase price is payable once the goods have been delivered. The tax point for the remainder of the supply then depends on the actions of the supplier. If the supplier issues a VAT invoice for the balance within 14 days after delivery of the furniture (ie the basic tax point), then it is the invoice that creates the tax point.

If the invoice is issued after 14 days, or no VAT invoice is to be issued at all because, say, the customer is a private person, then the tax point reverts to the basic tax point. In this case when the furniture was delivered. It should be noted that because payment of the balance of the purchase price occurred after the basic tax point it has no significance for time of supply purposes.

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So, to me, that says it is because it was invoiced within 14 days, whereas pt4 was after 14 days...?

But I could be getting confused lol! Wink

Kerry 

Edited at 26 Jun 2011 11:38 AM GMT

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Oh.. ok.  I had missed the 14 day rule.  Thank you!

Bit like cash discounts - count the days!

(Clear as mud if I'm honest - just one of those 'learn the rules, understanding is optional' type things Tongue out )

So.... any chance you can help with the other bit as well or am I pushing my luck Laughing 

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No problem! I am pleased you brought it up, made me look into it to understand it!

As for the other part, I don't actually have the Kaplan book to look at, I was just basing my answer, for the first part, on what you had written, sorry Smile.  


Kerry 

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Not a problem and thanks for the help - been wading through th HMRC VAT Guide - all 195 pages of it! My brain is now starting to melt!

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