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Does the CPD year run as a calendar year or is it Membership year.
If it is Calendar year, then I've done my 30 hours already. I completed my lev 2 manual course and exam in February.
BUT......
If it's membership year, then it runs from May, whereby I would lose my hours that I did in January/February.
I am studying for Self-assessment at the moment and I'll be starting payroll soon, so if I'm over my hours can I carry some forward?
I also attended the CPD in Southampton a few months ago, does this count towards my total too?
Am I going to get in trouble if I don't manage 30 hours?
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Where did this 30 hours appear from?
I never knew CPD was compulsary. Although to be fair I think such is my addiction to it I can't see me having that much of a bother finding 30 hours each year.
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CPD is self-monitored. Suggestion in the section in the members area on it is that you aim for 15 hours per year structured (courses, seminars etc) and 15 hours unstructured (books, journals (being on here??!!))
Peasie, think you probably do 30 hours per week!!!
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Sorry but what is CPD?
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alfiexsaid:
“Sorry but what is CPD?”
It's "Continuing Professional Development" more info here www.bookkeepers.org.uk/CPD
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Personally, I'd be in favour of CPD being compulary and monitored annually when renewing your Practice Licence like the MLR checks and PI insurance.
It can only strengthen the image of bookkeepers and ICB bookkeepers in particular.
Kris
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Kris... Understand where you are coming from, but Chartered Accountants don't even do compulsary CPD or do they? (my ex employer never seemed to do any apart from read the Financial Times once a week and go to the golf days)
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Yes, they do.
Go to acca.co.uk/members/cpd/
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I was meaning 'Institute of Chartered Accountants' but aside from that, non-compulsory CPD raises a fair number of issues (sorry I'm ex-IPD before they went chartered so was in at the forefront of CPD and get quite boring about it all - lol).
I'll keep watching this space
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icaew.com/en/members/cpd
I may at one time have agreed regarding cpd - however I am coming round to thinking that compulsory CPD is not a bad idea, the further I get into the profession, even at my stage of life, the more I realise that there are matters upon which I am not as up to date as I should be.
An example of this is IAS which I have commented upon on another thread.
We never stop learning and if we can add value to our services whilst furthering our education then it must be for the better
Geoff
Edited at 27 Oct 2011 10:28 PM GMT
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Geoffsaid:
I may at one time have agreed regarding cpd - however I am coming round to thinking that compulsory CPD is not a bad idea, the further I get into the profession, even at my stage of life, the more I realise that there are matters upon which I am not as up to date as I should be.
It's the nature of the enviroment we work in Geoff, the regulatory framework changes all the time. The monthly newsletter is a great help but I agree with Kris on this.
An ICAEW I've worked with in the past, still does his CPD and he's in his eighties. That's not meant to sound "ageist", I think it's to be applauded.
To use an old quote "learning is a journey, not a destination.."
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The ICB is going through a lot of change at present.
Putting my advisory council hat on the CPD issue is on the agenda
We have to remember that not everyone can get to seminars, there are childcare issues, location issues, cost issues to name three.
We will have to make sure that whatever scheme is set up it has to be SMART - specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and timely.
Of course there is nothing to stop members thinking of ways to create some cpd of their own - for example a good thesis on a subject relevant matter for inclusion in inVoice, or a presentation for one of the regional seminars.
I have already got about ten years credit as author of the Certified Legal Bookkeeper course....... :)
Geoff
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Geoffsaid:
“The ICB is going through a lot of change at present.
Hi Geoff - do you know if this will be discussed on the Friday at the bookkeepers summit?
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Sorry, no.
I will be there on the Thursday only. I am sure Garry & Co will have everything covered by both days and if something comes up on one day and not the other it will probably be covered somewhere else, for example iNvoice or the web site.
Geoff
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It would be handy if the ICB could do some sort of form to complete that could be updated as we go. A lot of my CPD comes from the HMRC website so potentially I could attach the links to a CPD form.
I don't log any of this at the moment as it's doesnt appear to be compulsory but if it was, it would give me that further bit of satisfaction.
Just to clarify that bit, CPD should be about job satisfaction and as Tony said "Learning is a Journey, not a Destination".
Also, with non-compulsory CPD, one of the main issues is relating the good name of the ICB. If as bookkeepers we don't do CPD on an ongoing basis we could potentially 'get things terribly wrong'. Not good for the ICB name when we are on Practice Licence.
If we do CPD and it is compulsory (possibly mandatory is a nnicer phrasing) then we have back up should the PI have to kick in. Obviously a fair bit more to being claimed against than that but hopefully you'll get my drift.
Told you I would get boring about this...... 
@Geoff - thanks for the clarification - admittedly I was being a wee bit tongue in cheek and genuinely wasn't 100% sure.
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How much should time spent reading bookkeeping forums count towards CPD - if any time at all?
I will spend a couple hours over the course of a day and night reading this forum and another one with an almost identical address (with a - in the middle of bookkeepers). I also read the "Accounts and Finance" section of UK Buisiness Forums. I'll occasionally even venture into Accountingweb but avoid actually posting on there.
A lot of my CPD time will come in the un-structured section. I'll shortly be starting on Level IV with ICB so that should take care of the next two or three years. I wonder how long the ICB think it should trake to complete this course? Unlike levels II and III, I can't see it being done in 6 months.
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My accountant has offered to spend an hour or two teaching me how to use Xero. She has an account with them, and as I am her preferred bookkeeper (I think) it makes sense that she helps me get familiar with it. She said she would write me a letter confirmimg hours spent, for my CPD file. Do you think ICB would accept this? She is ACCA practising accountant.
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As said previously within this thread, although ICB recommend a minimum number of hours, it's not really enforced so whether you get a letter or not I dont think will really matter.
Kris
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The ICB link for CPD information (as it currently stands) is here
http://www.bookkeepers.org.uk/Members%20Area/CPD
I think you will get the answer on this question here
Geoff
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Dear All
Remeber attendance of you Local Regional Workshops will also sount to CPD if it running in a similar fashion to the London regional Workshop.
I think CPD os ioncredibly important in keeping everyone up to dat5e and ensuring we continue to develop our skill base.
I think Learning a new system such a xero should be classed as CPD as it id further developing you computerised bookkeeping skills.
Just some of my thoughts
Kind regards
Stuart
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I fink vat felows wot dont chek the spelin shud b dmoted
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Geoffsaid:
“I fink vat felows wot dont chek the spelin shud b dmoted”
There should be an apostrophe here - don't
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No doubt you will be checking every half hour to see what your percentage mark is on that little test (not high at the moment!!)
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James @ ICBsaid:
“Great discussion guys!
This is what the forum is all about (ICB spying on your thoughts )
To answer some of your questions:
CPD most likely will be discussed at the conference. There is a members panel which will talk about whatever you like so it might be brought up.
Peasie: "How much should time spent reading bookkeeping forums count towards CPD" I have been talking to a few members about something related to this. Thoughts are to give points based on posts, but the posts would have to have a voting system (Like button, or thumb up thumb down etc) otherwise people would just post 'morning' or something to get their post count up
Then you could have a proper representation on the community's view on the member counting towards CPD.
As far as I am aware all the big bodies have CPD requirements. ACCA ICAEW are enforced, AAT is enforced but not monitored (I believe). The ICB's CPD is new, so the conference will be a place to talk about it, see if members have trouble getting to that number etc. Although 30 hours will come and go pretty quick I think.
Great to see the support and acknowledgment that it should raise the profile of the ICB and its members.”
I am an AAt student, about to become a Member. My belief is that CPD is monitored, the members have to do an annual assessment of the CPD they believe will help, then complete the requirements, recording it and then I think they have to submit their records. ( I could be slightly wrong butI know there is always an ongoing thread in their forum about how to asess and record)
What they do offer is a lot of their CPD seminars on podcasts and/oro n evenings and weekends which is useful for osmeone like me currently employed and with a young child.
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