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Hello,

I'm new to quickbooks and also new to VAT on the cash accounting basis and I seem to not be able to get my head around how to enter my opening balances from my clients annual accounts.

Are there any quickbook experts out there that would be willing to advice me on what the process is that I should follow with regards to the following.

- I have a journal ready to go in with my opening balances but I have read on the quickbooks help that I should entered my VAT opening balance as a journal, however......

- The company deals with its VAT on a cash accounting basis and therefore the box 5 amount on the last VAT return isn't the same as the figure stated in the annual accounts.

- I can see that when I set up suppliers and customers that it asks for opening balances and I'm trying to see how this fits in with my opening balance on VAT.  If I enter an opening balance it will be on the accrual basis but the VAT on that balance needs to be considered on a cash accounting basis.

You can probably see I'm getting my knickers in a twist with my thought processes so if anyone can help me I would be very grateful.  I just need to know what I need to do in what order.

Many thanks

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Hi Alexa,

Have you managed to sort things yet?  I use QB at a couple of clients and although I've never had to enter opening balances I know roughly how to do it.

The VAT Liability account in QB works like Sage, although you are on cash accounting, what appears in the Liability account will be VAT on the invoices that you enter, not on the invoices that you pay.  So when you run the VAT return the balance owing will never be the same as what is showing on the Liability account.

Are you starting off with a blank set of accounts that you are entering balances into for the first time?

Pauline

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Hi Pauline,

Yes, the company has been trading for a couple of years so I have all my opening balances to go in.  I re read my original post and realised that I put 'should' when I meant 'shouldn't' for entering the VAT balance as a journal. So I assume that I've got to enter my VAT balance another way but I can't quite figure out how

I've obviously got debtors and creditors at the year end so I'm wondering if I should enter them into quickbook even though they aren't part of the new year's accounts.

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Hi Alex,

I have been reading up on how to enter opening balances etc in QB and to be honest it's not very straightforward! 

You should definitely enter your opening balances for your debtors and creditors as they are balances still owing for this financial year.  When you set up your suppliers and customers there is a box to enter the opening balance.  QB posts these to the Uncategorised expenses account and to the Accounts payable or receivable accounts accordingly. 

You can set up your BS opening balances by clicking on the relevant account and then on Account - Edit Account.  Opening balances you post here are posted to an Opening balance equity account which should be zero once all your opening balances are entered.  VAT is a little more complicated and it would be best if you read the help on entering your VAT Liability opening balance.

Would it be a good idea to speak to the accountant about the VAT?  Perhaps he could give you some help?

Pauline

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Hi Alex,

Wasn't sure if you are all sorted, but thought I'd reply anyway.  I can see from one of the posts the business has been trading for a couple of years, but will this be the first year on QuickBooks?  I'm not sure why you are using opening balances?

If it is simply because the suppliers were missing from the accounts at the year-end, then first of all I would simply enter the missing invoices using the year end date or actual invoice date.  (personally I would never use "opening balances" on any type of account)  As the business is operating VAT on a cash basis it is important to enter customer invocies and supplier bills as they were unpaid at the year-end, and hence the VAT was not paid.  If amounts have been paid since the year end, leaving "credit balances", it is important the credits are off-set against the invoices.

When VAT is calculated on a cash basis the figure per the return will always differ to the final accounts unless all debtors and creditors balances have been paid up.  Final accounts are always prepared on a accrual basis and the usual preferred settings for QuickBooks is also accrual.  If you run the trial balance report on QuickBooks you can choose to "modify" the report and change the settings to "cash" which you can help as an aid to ensure your VAT returns are correct.  You cannot however always rely on this if the client has historically been in "a mess" and you may need to do a lot more checking and reconciling.  Depending on the version of QuickBooks you are using, once VAT is filed the VAT figure appears as an unpaid balance within accounts payable (trade creditors).  So sometimes it may appear at first glance that you have large differences between the balance sheet on QuickBooks to figures on statutory accounts (VAT is too low and creditors too high).  This sort of difference is purley cosmetic and doesn't affect profits etc, the liabilty is just appearing in a different place.

If you are trying to get the balance sheet to agree to the accounts as at the year end, enter the missing invoices first, and then work out the differences between your balance sheet and that of the final accounts and enter journals to get everything to agree.  If in doubt talk to your client's accountant, who should really have prepared the closing balance adjustments for you.

I hope some of the above makes some sense.  I could go on and type pages and pages.   Without knowing exaclty what you are trying to achieve it is a little tricky.  If you get really stuck please drop me an e-mail via my web-site ashbeetsonbookkeeping.

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Hi Ash,

I'm still trying to get things to work but I agree with you about the supplier opening balances.  After a lot of thinking (while lying in bed) I couldn't see what use the supplier opening balances would be in my situation so I've entered all the trade creditor invoices with their actually invoice dates.  I've just got the same to be with trade debtors and then I might be able to see the wood for the trees.

I'll bear in mind what you've said about when VAT has been paid and it showing in Accounts Payable.  I've now bought a Quickbooks book which should hopefully help things as well but I will keep your email address if I'm still trying to get this sorted in a few days.

The frustrating thing is that I've worked with accounting software for 20 years and have always found it easy.  But of course I've never started to use it when a company has been trading for a few years!  I had hoped that the accountants would have been a bit more helpful than they have but a week has passed and they still haven't come back to me to show where the VAT figure in the final accounts has come from.  Another email is required I think.

Many thanks

Alex

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