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Im quite new in practice so im trying to get my head around things so please be gentle with me if this seems a silly question.

 

I have an office fitter for a client and he does a lot of work for one company whom he submits his fuel reciepts too and they reimburse him in full so when entering them into sage one I enter them as an expense and then raise an invoice for the company and then mark it off once the invoice has been paid - simples... I hope.

 

However my question relates to the other fuel expenses he incurs in his other officing fitting jobs. I have all the reciepts so thats not an option. For the first year of his self employment he had x2 vehicles, one unleaded which he used for recreation and one van for work which was diesel. As he has two seperate vehicles can I claim all his fuel for the diesel van in the first year as an expense against the business or do i still have to proprtion it. If so what proportion should I use?

 

When he sold his car he then went to using the works van for recreation and work usage and believes that about 75% of his usage is still business related. So do i then proprtion the fuel costs as 75% of the reciepts to claim as an expenses against the business? If so does anyone know how to reduce the fuel costs in sage one once the total figure has already been entered for fuel costs or is it a case of going in to each individual fuel reciept and reducing by 75%.

 

Finally the client has the van on a lease agreement so would I again need to reduce the finance by 25% to account for the fact that it is a personal vehicle as well?

 

Many thanks

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Hi Rebecca,

I don't have all the answers for you but just to get the ball rolling can I ask a question?

You are entering the fuel used for the main contract of your client as an expense then seperately invoicing that amount and clearing it as payment comes in - are you raising the invoice with an expense code or a sales code?  I ask as if you are raising the invoices with a sales code you might be overstating your clients income to the value of the expense claimed.

I'm not saying what you have done is incorrect - but sage can be a bit of a pest so worth checking. I do something similar with parking charges to one of my clients but as I work with QuickBooks I enter the parking as a billable expense, so while it will be part of my Turnover (total incoming monies) it won't be part of my Sales.

On the lease for the Van, was the lease taken out by the business for business use?  If so it remains a business expense and it is only the proportion of use that you need to calculate.  If the Van was a personal contract then I might query why it is in the business as a cost :)

Hope I've not caused too many problems.

Terry

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Hi Terry

 

Thank you for your response.

 

I am using Sage one for these expenses and there does not appear to be a seperate code for raising the invoice as a billable expense. I was worried that this might then be overstating the clients sales but everyone else I seem to have talked to have said that this is the way to do it. I have detailed the invoices so that it can be seen what he has billed for rather than just a bulk invoice but will have a look further into whether sage one allow this sort of thing.

 

If anyone has any further advise on my original query it would be much appreciated as this is my first client and suddenly im starting to feel the pressue/responsibility.

 

Many thanks again Terry.

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Hi Terry

With the reimbursed fuel, you could set up an additional sales code called 'Reimbursed Fuel' so that it shows on the P&L clearly and separately from the normal sales income. As this cost is also going to be in the expense section of the P&L, it will cancel itself out on the bottom line.

Another way some people do it is, even though it's income - direct it to the same expense code as the fuel expense, hence again, cancelling itself out.

With regards to when your client had 2 vehicles - if the petrol vehicle was not for business use, it would be quite feasible that the diesel one was 100% business use, however, the only way to proportion this is by asking your client 'does he use it for any non-business use'. If his answer is yes, then HE also needs to assess how much of that use is non-business in order to give you a percentage, it's not down to you to apportion it with any kind of formula.

This would be the same when he was using just the one vehicle for both business and non-business use, but as you've mentioned, he's told you that this was a 75/25 split - that sounds reasonable. 

Assuming all the fuel receipts and expenses are still being put through the business 100%, the way to deal with this would be to work out, during the dual use period of time, what 25% of the total costs are, and journal this from the vehicle expense category to either drawings (if sole trader/partnership) or directors loan (if Ltd) I would probably do this on the last day of each month, or it can be done at the end of the financial year - I wouldn't do it for each and every receipt as you go along as this could be very time consuming and unnecessary.

I hope this helps.

Carol

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