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Taking over a client from a previous Bookkeeper

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  • # 100977

Hi Everyone,

I've just taken on a new client who had a bookkeeper before. The previous bookkeeper has not done anything for several months but on checking through my client's paperwork, I can't be sure what he's done and what he hasn't, apart from a profit and loss account, balance sheet and trial balance for y/e March 2011. There are odd bits which are done, which are later such as a year end report for 30 April 2013 but I don't know for sure if everything has been done. My client said the last SA return submitted was 2011/12 [I've told him about the fine for late submission of 2012/2013 return!] I've applied for authority to act so I can find out for sure what return was last submitted but will I need to approach the previous bookkeeper to obtain the papers for the client, which they hold and, if so how do I prove I'm authorised to act? 

Another thing, is that the client was wrongly advised to set up a Limited Company which he soon found out was a big mistake, so he changed to being a sole trader. How do I go about ceasing the Revenue and Customs Limited Company record off for him so he's not getting pointless communications? On the Revenue Customs Website I could only find instructions for: if the company goes into liquidation, if the company is sold or if Revenue and Customs compulsorily close the company through non compliance. Non of these apply to my client [although the last one might later on because my client keeps getting reminders etc about his non existent company].

The last question is that my client has 3 businesses. Will I need to set up 3 records for each business and get 3 UTRs from the tax office? Or can I do one record and put the 3 businesses in Sales ie Sales - Business 1 £xxx, Sales Business 2 £xxx, Sales Business 3 xxx, Total sales £xxxx and put the total turnover etc on the tax return. 

Thanks very much

Caz jenkins

 

 

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  • # 100979

Hi Caz,

Firstly, you should have written to previous bookkeeper/accountant requesting clearance to act for the client before starting any work.

Regarding your other queries - I don't mean to be offensive but the questions you are asking makes me think possibly you are out of your depth with this 'client'.

Marilyn

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  • # 100983

Hi Caz,

You need to write to the previous bookkeeper to get clearance to act.  At the same time you should request that they send you copies of the last accounts prepared along with any working papers/lead schedules and copies of the last SA return and associated working papers.  As far as the limited company is concerned, provided that no accounts have been submitted and there are no outstanding taxes etc., I find that just not submitting the annual return leads to Companies House striking the company off.  If there are outstanding taxes these need to be settled before any action can be taken.  Companies House provides guidance on the procedure to follow in this instance.

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  • # 100993

Thanks very much. I've written to the previous agent to request clearance. I'd not taken over from a previous agent in any of my previous clients so I wasn't sure what to do. I know now. Thanks very much

Caz Jenkins

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  • # 101021

Hi Caz

Although there is no statutory obligation to write to the previous agent, I think it is very wise that you have done so and it is always in the new potential appointee's interest to do so.

If it were me, I'd be asking the question: "why have no books been kept for the last several months? and why is everything in such a mess?"

It feels like this might be a bit of a "rescue job", and in such cases its always wise to consider whether you can get a deposit or payment on account from the client up front.

The reason I say this, is that sometimes when a bookkeeper goes into a business to find there is a big historical mess to sort out, the reason is that the last bookkeeper wasn't getting paid, because the business was insolvent (and even if there wasn't a previous bookkeeper, the business could still be insolvent).

So carefully assess the scope of the work to be done and while your doing it see if there is any evidence in the records of cash flow problems: bank statements should be revealing (e.g. if there is an overdraft that goes right up to the wire each month) and also correspondence from creditors chasing overdue accounts.

If there is evidence like I have outlined above, the business (or businesses) may well be insolvent and I would counsel you to ask for some payment up front as otherwise you run the risk of undertaking a lot of work for which you will not ever get paid.

Turning to the Limited Company, you first need to find out whether or not it has actually traded and made any profit - if it has, then stat accounts and CTR need submitting. Again, check for bank statements in the name of the Ltd Co as your first source of evidence? I would not recommend not submitting an annual return, as, technically, the Company Director has comitted a criminal offence in these circumstances. You need Companies House form DS01 to strike a company off - but make sure it doesn't have any creditors (which will include HMRC if it has made a profit and hasn't yet paid any Corporation Tax).

If all three businesses are being run by the same individual a sole trader, the client will only need the one UTR and one self-assessent each year: in each SA there will be three sets of self-employment pages - one for each business. You may need to check that there are indeed, on the one hand three business, or, on the other, three income streams which are actually part of the same business. If it's the latter then just one set of self-employment pages will be required.

Finally, does this client also have an accountant? If so, they need to buck up and give you some support with all this . .that is if you decide ulitmately to taker this client on. Again, I'd sound out the accountant (if there is one) perhaps before making a decision one way or the other. Or maybe, if there is no accountant, refer this to one you already work with?

Very best of luck!

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