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Recording CIS Payments

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  • # 101468

Hi everyone

I have just taken on a new client which is a limited company with 1 owner who is a sub-contractor himself, 4 employees (one of which also does sub contract work) and they sub-contract work out now and again also to others.  This is the first client I have come across that is part of the Construction Industry Scheme and I just wondered if anyone has any Excel templates that they could email me that would successfully record the normal day to day bookkeeping as well as the CIS payments, either that or just an Excel template to record the CIS payments.

Also, if anyone has any particular 'words of advice' when it comes to CIS I would be grateful to hear them... it is always daunting stepping into a bit of new territory.

They have an accountant that sorts out their returns to HMRC etc but I want to find an effective way of recording everything.

My email address is integritybookkeepers@hotmail.co.uk

 

Thank you in advance.

  • 491 posts
  • # 101485

Hi Jennifer

I haven't got a spreadsheet - but my words of wisdom would be this.........

It's hard to get your head around it when you first start with CIS - although, from your wording, you seem to have a good grip already - but one thing to keep in mind is that when your client is working as a sub-contractor himself, he will have tax withheld from his customer invoices that he issues. This withheld payment is an 'asset' to the company, which with a sole trader, would be reclaimed via the self assessment route. With a limited company, it can be offset against PAYE payments. It is often called CIS Suffered and you should receive a payment slip / statement from the Contractor that proves the amount that has been withheld - this is your clients proof, but is often not provided without asking. 

When your client is working as a Contractor - i.e. has sub contractors working for him, he will have to deduct tax from their supplier invoice on the labour part of the payment. It is important for the sub contractors to itemise their labour, materials and travel expense individually on their supplier bills, so that this can be calculated correctly. This deduction is a liability, which has to be forwarded to HMRC. You are also obliged to issue a payslip / statement of deduction to the supplier/sub contractor. You can make one up on Word / Excel etc, or HMRC offer a basic one, or programs such as Moneysoft create them for you if you run payroll.

The CIS deductions from sub contractors (normally recorded when your client pays the bill rather than the date of the bill) have to be filed to HMRC in the same way as PAYE - i.e. after 5th of the month, but before 22nd if filed electronically. You will need to register as their client for CIS, or get them a login for CIS within their PAYE login.

Hope that helps

Carol

  • 141 posts
  • # 101486

Thank you for all that information Carol, it has really helped me to understand CIS in much greater detail. I don't do payroll and his accountant sorts that out for him as well as the reporting of CIS to HMRC but I was a little confused as to how to keep a record of it all. I am pretty certain I have a much better grasp of it now. I know my clientreceives a statement already of gross amounts, CIS deducted and net amounts so that aspect is covered.  CIS is very much another learning curve for me and I just wanted to make sure I record it accurately. Once again, thank you so much.

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