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VAT Pre-Registration

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Hi All,

I'm having a mental block on VAT pre-registration date.... My client registered for VAT as of 1st October, his first retrun will be for four months as his first quarter ended 31st January 2015.

My understanding is that he can claim for business expense items (6 months for services & up to 4 years for goods still in the busines) but cannot claim for cost of sale items.

Firtly, anyone confirm that understanding is correct?

If it is, are the cost of sale items still included in the VAT return at zero rated or are they excluded from the VAT return in it's entirity i.e. out of scope (T9 in Sage?)

If someone can point me in the right direction it would appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Jo

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  • # 104448

5. Purchases made before registration

There’s a time limit for backdating claims for VAT paid before registration. From your date of registration the time limit is:

  • 4 years for goods you still have, or that were used to make other goods you still have
  • 6 months for services

 

Taken from HMRC site because I couldnt remember!!!

I would probably note as T1, but as long as no VAT is claimed either a T1 or T9 will be okay some will say T1 is right, some will say T9 - the last inspection I had the inspector told me he wasnt too worried either way - I had used T1 code with no VAT.

 

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  • # 104449

Hi Jo

What makes you say you can't claim for COS items? As long as it's stock you have on hand on the day of registration (and was VATable), it's claimable.

You do the first return in the normal way from date of registration, plus add on the 'pre-reg date items into box 4, and box 7 on your first return (you only get one chance at this).

Depending how many items it involves, you may find it easier to 'turn on' the VAT on reg date, then do the first VAT return within the software as normal after the first 4 months, but then manually list all the additional items you're going to claim from pre-reg date, do a journal in the software to allow for it, and add it manually onto the first VAT100 figures prior to filing it manually online (not through the software) This is how I did it with one of my clients.

If you decide to include the pre-reg items within your software, I don't know about SAGE because I use QuickBooks - but again, the way I dealt with it with another client, was to 'turn on' VAT from reg date, then go back to eligible transactions and change the code accordingly, this would then get picked up on the exception report and included in the first VAT100 accordingly.

Any transactions you don't want to include on the VAT report at all should always be 'Out of Scope' which I believe is the T9 code in SAGE. This would certainly apply to items that aren't eligible because they're pre-reg date and not still in stock or being used in the business (i.e. used up stationery). Items bought after reg date would have the 'zero rated' code for zero rated items (food etc), and perhaps suppliers that aren't VAT registered (unless you've set up a special code for this) so that these figures do indeed go into box 7 for the statistical purposes, but don't add any value to box 4.

Hope that helps

  • Fellow PM.Dip
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Thanks ladies for your responses!

Carol - when I referred to cost of sales I was referring to items used for completed jobs, not items in stock at time of VAT registration, thank you for confirming my own understanding Smile

Have a good weekend both!

Jo

 

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