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Self employed vs limited company

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  • # 105589

Hello All

I have one more exam to pass before I can get my practice license and so I am thinking about things.

 

Any ideas/tips on whether it's better to start off as self employed or to start a limited company?

thanks

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Hi Zimbogirl

I started off as a sole trader, and was delighted to be self-employed.  But one day, a couple of years later, one of my clients' accountants told me that as my income had reached a certain level it was more tax efficient to become a Limited company (the point at which tax on self employed income plus class 2 national insurance plus class 4 national insurance exceed 20% corporation tax) that was the time I became a limited company.

You should be able to work out this threshold for yourself - if not drop me an email and I'll talk you through it.

Kind regards

Debbie

bookkeeping@beckcottage.com

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  • # 105596

Zimbogirl,

Debbie is absolutely correct. It will be beneficial to go the self employed route to begin with, as you start your practice. You just need to be alert as to when it will pay you to convert to a limited company remembering that being a limited company adds somewhat to your admin in the form of filing of accounts and the like.

As an aside, with the user name Zimbogirl, it looks like we come from the same neck of the woods. PM me and I will be happy to let you know how I have set myself up in practice here in England. Email address is paulziets@gmail.com

Paul

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  • # 105661

Hhhmm - so i ran through a couple of examples - (tired student so bound to be wrong - feel free to correct)

 

Earnings       10,000        20,000       30,000

SE  tax          0                2000          4000

LTD corp tax   0               2000          4000

nb - above assumes that the Ltd company director pays him/herself a salary of 10k and takes the rest in dividends.

NI SE 2&4  326.95           1226.96     2126.96

NI LTD 1    245.44            0               0

 

nb - i'm not accounting for NI payments that the company would make as an employer which would then be deductible from the corp tax.



Edited at 27 Feb 2015 09:13 PM GMT

Edited at 27 Feb 2015 09:14 PM GMT

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Simone - remember that there is a £2000 employer's allowance, so there's no employer's NI to pay for a long time, if at all, unless you employ other staff.

Liz F - the threshold isn't nearly that high.

Say you are a sole trader with taxable earnings of £17,000 (ie. income less deductible expenses):

- after the £10,000 personal allowance your taxable income is £7,000, which at 20% tax = £1,400.

- the class 4 NI threshold is £7956, so your NI'able earnings are £9044 x 9% = £813.96.

- class 2 NI @ £2.75 per week = £143

- Total to pay HMRC = £2356.96

 

As a Limited Company you earn the same £17,000 after expenses

- pay yourself (through a payroll of course) £10,000 tax free using your personal allowance (there will be some class 1 NI to pay at this level, or you could pay a bit less to keep below the threshold)

- net profit = £7,000 x 20% corporation tax = £1,400

- cost of accountants fees = say £500 (you may be able to negotiate a reduced rate because you do all your own bookkeeping and your accountant may already know the standard of your bookkeeping as he is the accountant for 1 of your clients)

- total to pay = £1,900.

Therefore at £17,000 income after expense it is worth doing it.

Registering as a limited company was easy, and I did it all myself.  You do have to complete an annual return to Companies House once a year at £13, but otherwise I have incurred no additional costs.  Mind you - first year end is just approaching.....

Kind regards

 

Debbie

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By the way - another benefit of being employed by the company is a pension.  In anticipation of auto enrolment I have set my company up as an employer with Nest, and this month I am making my first pension contribution to myself - another taxable expense.  I also have the advantage now of having been through the process of setting up an employer pension scheme, and seeing how Moneysoft Payroll Manager deals with it and can advise my clients on the process accordingly.

Win win...

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